um, er, Gesundheit, Leroy.

I had a posting here about making the baby Jesus and Nancy Drew cry and puke at the sametime. But I took it off. Wine buzz gone. The end.

I am not sure why GB passworded her diary. I can understand her need to separate RL from online, but why not take the site down instead since that is the part you are worried about. Or take out your real name where it is referenced. I am guessing that she is worried about her readers getting over to the other site, but don't most of them know all the information that is posted there already? Why the concern, please explain it to me?

I'm really ticked that Gingerbug felt the need to password protect her journal due to her privacy being revealed. If it was my fiance...

(I'm thinking on that)

I mean really - this has gone too far. It's one thing to write an entry in your diary about a contestant or judge who rubs you the wrong way (or nine entries if you're insane) but it's another to flame a person. That's when the "just a game" ends.

Congrats to Jeni!

We interrupt this interruption for more back and forth.

Ginger, I am gonna try to explain this as simply as possible, but since you teach web classes and things, you really shouldn't be having a hard time grasping it. The voices getting too much for you again?

1. The first IP address that you were using to sign guestbook was NOT a proxy. I repeat NOT A PROXY. We traced it to your ISP.
2. The first IP that Scourge and friends used matched YOUR first IP EXACTLY which I say again, WAS NOT A PROXY.
3. It was only later that Scourge and friends began to use a proxy to sign other guestbooks/attempt to hack into the message board. Apparently it was the same proxy that you pointed out in your denial posts. What a lovely coincedence! All those proxies out there and he just happened to pick yours! Wow!
4. Remember that first IP I talked about? If you don't read up a bit, I can wait. That little IP address was traced to wyrm.org.uk That address look familiar? No? How about http://www.wyrm.org.uk/ ? Click on the about this site link, here I will help ta da! Look how cute, he gives a credit to his girlfriend. A Finnish girl in England who loves dragons, J.R.R Tolkien, Michael Marshall Smith, David Brin! Look at the cute picture, see the lovely red hair and green eyes. Wait Ging, don't YOU have red hair and green eyes too?? Gee she's an Aries with a Leo rising too. Well damn, holy heck, you MUST have a twin out there because that couldn't POSSIBLY be you now could it dear Ging?

I dunno, Tel, I kind of like Aunt Jenistar!

Actually, most of my family just calls me Jay, so probly it will be that. Or Aunt JJ (damn parents, thinking Jennifer Jane would automatically supply me with a "cute" nickname).

Did y'all read July's exit interview? He made a DS4 contestant soundtrack! I'm jealous! We don't have a DS4 JUDGES soundtrack!!! I'm gonna get right on that...

Hey, congratulations! What's your name?

Uh, I mean...what's the little thing who is gonna get to call you Aunt Jenistar gonna be called by you?

(and please interrupt the regular ds4 discussion!)

I interrupt the backing and forthing for a very important announcement:

I am an aunt!

Okay, you may now return to your regularly scheduled ds4 discussion...

Back and forth, forth and back.

Ginger, the reason my last post didn't seem to be all about you is that it wasn't - I was also addressing the concerns of some other people in the things I was talking about.

You can't imagine how tickled I am to be called a hypocrite by you of all people. You have been caught red-handed trying to hack into/screw up someone else's website. Nobody believes your lilywhite denials. In previous DLS contests the anonymous cranks have had the good sense to fade away once they were outed, but you seem not to get the message - maybe you relish the humiliation too much.

A technical point though, it may not have been YOU precisely who did these things but it was done with your knowledge and/or approval unless a mysterious crazy person is sneaking into your house and using your computer. I haven't read enough of your journal to know what level of computer skills your boyfriend has.

As to the anonymous posters IP and FV being judges, that really isn't logical. Judges have no reason to hide their identities because nobody is going to vote them off if they get all uppity. It's kind of telling to note that the most vocal contestants are now ex-contestants while those who keep their own council (or just don't care) like Matt and Ms. M and Alternamommy are still in the running.

In particular that IP guy seems like the sort of person who needs to have his mommy log into his computer for him. Plainly not a judge.

I really don't understand your comment about "drones." I don't think I mentioned anything like that. You might be thinking of someone else.

From GB "to put it simply - people have got used to a particular thing (diary) working in a certain way, so why make things over-complicated. "

This is keen reason why reviews are not necessarily the cat's meow, the last thing the world needs is more diaries that look/read/feel like someone elses.

This is responding to something written in the contestants' blog responding to something I wrote in the DLS comments page about "nettequette.' Yes, that was a tortuous sentence, but I am jet-lagged something fierce.

First of all, I don't much like the ring of the word "nettequette." It sounds dusty and Victorian, but I really have no idea what else to call the concept.

Second of all, I realized that my standards for sharing information were a little too strict - I think I may have gotten them from the online game I used to play - Planetarion. It's a game of paranoid military secrecy, where loose lips really can sink spaceships. Passing along random emails to the public is frowned upon, and it can get you in a lot of trouble. Communication in the "real" online world is much more fast and loose.

However, when people communicate online it really can't be denied that there is some sort of social contract involved, even if it is almost never spoken about. Sometimes people tell you things that you know you should keep under your hat, other stuff you can yell on the mountaintop, and there is a sizable gray area too.

Gingerbug yelled about me bringing the subject up, but later admitted that I had a point, at least partially. As far as I can remember in the whole Gingerbug Affair, the only communication of hers that was "leaked" was her email to the admin of the board in question, but it could be argued that to some degree she WANTED the details of the letter to be divulged. Did she expect the admin to say: "You guys are going to have to stop clipping bits from the diary of You-Know-Who but I can't tell you why?" I don't think so. She had a definite set of demands that she wanted the admin to act on and he couldn't very well do it in a total information blackout.

On the other hand we have Kinetix, who points everyone to the disclaimer in his diary that essentially says he is a Mynah Bird and that everything poured into his ears will come spouting out his mouth, irregardless of its effect on others or how it makes him look. If he wants to be defined that way, it's his choice, but he's recognizing that there is some sort of unspoken contract and he's saying he's ignoring it. Of course anyone reading his diary in the last week doesn't need to look at the disclaimer to figure that out.

Fair is fair though, Kim's like that too, with no disclaimer. Or maybe her diary name is a one-word disclaimer. Anyway, she repeats most of what she hears, but is cuter (i.e.: funnier) about it. It's called style ;)

Quithappy also seemed cranky about my post, but on a couple of occasions he's told Kim not to repeat things and she has anyway. Or maybe he was pulling my leg with his criticism and by telling Kim NOT to repeat what he said he knew he was cleverly insuring that she WOULD repeat it. Obviously I'm getting confused here.

And then there is Yelling-nad, the spreader of Good Cheer, but this post is long enough without getting into that.

Oh crapola. I just wrote a huge post here and it somehow got swallowed. The upshot: I did not bother to fight the battle on the Judge's e-list because I was doing it in real life with 40 students and I don't think that any of you care what I say anyhow. I think that in large part the list serves to show each other how ever so hip, cool, and breezy we all are. Groovy, even, to date me appropriately. Yelnad is certifiably nice; she was one of the few and the kind who paid attention to my mother. While Yelnad was certainly being quixotic in trying to fight a battle with this group of people, I don't know if she should have passed on the ugliness to Kinetix. It IS a stupid little contest as somebody said, but within the realm of it a lot of
fundamental truths about people emerge.

Ahh I am so sad, Kine doesn't want to be pals. Ouch! That really hurts.

I think the contestant whining quota has been filled for the next two weeks though. No more whining allowed! :D